selam!
well, I am no Biblical scholar, but before I could the discern the reality of such an assertion I would want to have access to the original revelation in its unblemished language.
This passage would have been in Hebrew right? Well, go there and also to the context that it was revealed in. Where does it take us? Any where close to what your ‘friend’ suggested? I doubt it.
Or is it we don’t have an unblemished original document? Bummer, if that is the case then how can we say anything legit about it at all?
ooo, I like your sexy little comment gooey, this preview thingy is kewl. nice touch.
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Posted by kevin on 09/09 at 06:37 PM
Salaam Kevin,
I think that Revelation was originally written in Greek. There are comprehensive resources on the text here if you are interested in
this aspect.
Another interesting site is Truth Be Known which has some fascinating stuff on the Gospels generally. It’s inspired me to post something on it actually but it may have to wait till next week. This is interesting from that site:
The Book of Revelation is Egyptian and Zoroastrian
One can find certain allegorical place names such as “Jerusalem” and “Israel” in the Book of Revelation. Massey has stated that Revelation, rather than having been written by any apostle called John during the 1st Century C.E., is a very ancient text that dates to the beginning of this era of history, i.e. possibly as early as 4,000 years ago.
Massey asserts that Revelation relates the Mithraic legend of Zarathustra/Zoroaster. Hotema says of this mysterious book, which has baffled mankind for centuries: “It is expressed in terms of creative phenomena; its hero is not Jesus but the Sun of the Universe, its heroine is the Moon; and all its other characters are Planets, Stars and Constellations; while its stage-setting comprises the Sky, the Earth, the Rivers and the Sea.” The common form of this text has been attributed by Churchward to Horus’s scribe, Aan, whose name has been passed down to us as “John.”
The word Israel itself, far from being a Jewish appellation, probably comes from the combination of three different reigning deities: Isis, the Earth Mother Goddess revered throughout the ancient world; Ra, the Egyptian sungod; and El, the Semitic deity passed down in form as Saturn. El was one of the earliest names for the god of the ancient Hebrews (whence Emmanu-El, Micha-El, Gabri-El, Samu-El, etc.), and his worship is reflected in the fact that the Jews still consider Saturday as “God’s Day.”
Indeed, that the Christians worship on Sunday betrays the genuine origins of their god and godman. Their “savior” is actually the sun, which is the “Light of the world that every eye can see.” The sun has been viewed consistently throughout history as the savior of mankind for reasons that are obvious. Without the sun, the planet would scarcely last one day. So important was the sun to the ancients that they composed a “Sun Book,” or “Helio Biblia,” which became the “Holy Bible.”
Posted by on 09/10 at 11:02 AM
Fascinating stuff.
Posted by mark walter on 09/13 at 06:07 AM
the verse contains the following—“street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.”
I do not recall anyone ever pointing out that Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem (or just outside it), which means that this verse is referring to Jerusalem and it is calling Jerusalem the spiritual “Sodom and Egypt”. I can’t be the first one to notice this.
Posted by on 06/15 at 08:09 AM
Regarding the origins material posted from the Truth be Known site, whoever did that likes to make up his/her own linguistic science, apparently. And also did not research as adequately as one would hope.
The words translated as “holy” in both Hebrew (kadosh) and Greek (hagios) mean “set apart”. The word “holy” in English apparently comes from the Middle or Old English meaning “whole”. See Webster.com for that.
Regarding the word “el”, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_(god)
matters are not as simple with that little word as the Truth Be Known site would have one to believe. Consider this little excerpt from wikipedia, “For example, in the Ugaritic texts ’il mlk is understood to mean ‘Ēl the King’ but ’il hd as ‘the god Hadad’.”
There are other problems with the information at that site. But I’ve put in my nickel and I have other things to do.
Posted by on 06/15 at 08:25 AM









Christ in Egypt
I received an email today from A Xian fundie - as opposed to a follower of Christ’s teachings who would be more properly termed a ‘Christian’ - which purported to be from someone who talked regularly to God and who had thus prophesied Katrina in advance and seemed to think an earthquake will hit San Francisco in a week or so.
There was also lots of OT Biblical references (out of context and wildly misunderstood tellingly) but luckily it didn’t take a lifetime of rigorous Jesuit training to realise that my correspondent was that a representative of that class which is the bane of modern life: the literalists.
But I must be positive and not express negativity so I shall pay homage to him (and all other literalists out there of whatever stripe) by posing a question.
What, in a literal sense, could the following passage from the KJV of the Bible, Revelation 11:8, possibly mean?
What do you all think? Is it literal? Or metaphorical?